{"id":259,"date":"2013-05-07T16:44:00","date_gmt":"2013-05-07T14:44:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogy.rvp.cz\/ireneus\/?p=259"},"modified":"2013-05-07T20:56:06","modified_gmt":"2013-05-07T18:56:06","slug":"kde-seberou-vady-ocekavanych-vystupu-rvp","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogy.rvp.cz\/ireneus\/2013\/05\/07\/kde-seberou-vady-ocekavanych-vystupu-rvp\/","title":{"rendered":"Kde se berou vady o\u010dek\u00e1van\u00fdch v\u00fdstup\u016f RVP"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>P\u0159i tvorb\u011b Standardu naraz\u00edme nutn\u011b na vady v o\u010dek\u00e1van\u00fdch v\u00fdstupech.<\/p>\n<p>Jedn\u00edm z typ\u016f vad je zastaralost OVO v RVP.&nbsp; Nap\u0159\u00edklad<\/p>\n<p><em>\u010cJL-5-1-05 vede spr\u00e1vn\u011b dialog, telefonick\u00fd rozhovor, zanech\u00e1 vzkaz na z\u00e1znamn\u00edku<\/em><\/p>\n<p>a) Jak se to mohlo st\u00e1t, \u017ee se do z\u00e1vazn\u00e9ho dokumentu dostala p\u0159edstava, \u017ee dialog se vede \u201espr\u00e1vn\u011b\u201c nebo nespr\u00e1vn\u011b?<\/p>\n<p>b) A pro\u010d se v tak r\u00e1mcov\u00e9m dokumentu objevuje rozhovor po telefonu? A to v dob\u011b, kdy\u017e u\u017e bylo naprosto jasn\u00e9, \u017ee do komunika\u010dn\u00ed hry vstoup\u00ed (dnes u\u017e tam jsou) spousty dal\u0161\u00edch m\u00e9di\u00ed, kv\u016fli kter\u00fdm mus\u00edme um\u011bt ty obecn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed dovednosti veden\u00ed rozhovoru, ne jen \u201etelefonovat\u201c.<\/p>\n<p>Pod\u00e1m sv\u00e9 odpov\u011bdi na a) i b), a pak se je\u0161t\u011b pokus\u00edm uk\u00e1zat, jak by m\u011bly indik\u00e1tory vypadat, aby v nich nebyly tyhle vady.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Ad a)<\/p>\n<p>To je jist\u011b podv\u011bdom\u00fd poz\u016fstatek star\u0161\u00ed didaktiky, pedagogiky a v\u016fbec n\u00e1zoru na sv\u011bt. Ur\u010dit\u011b jsou n\u011bkter\u00e9 v\u011bci \u201espr\u00e1vn\u011b\u201c &#8211; ve smyslu \u201etakto to chceme d\u011blat, ch\u00e1pat, zn\u00e1t, proto\u017ee jsem se na tom dohodli d\u00edky historii, kultu\u0159e, lidsk\u00e9 povaze\u201c. Ale v\u011bcn\u011b spr\u00e1vn\u011b, funk\u010dn\u011b \u2013 to velmi \u010dasto nen\u00ed \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9 \u201espr\u00e1vn\u011b\u201c. Je sv\u011btlo \u010d\u00e1sticov\u00e9 nebo vlnov\u00e9? Mus\u00ed b\u00fdt spr\u00e1vn\u00e1 b\u00e1se\u0148 r\u00fdmovan\u00e1? M\u016f\u017ee l\u00e9ka\u0159 ignorovat laick\u00e9 n\u00e1zory pacienta?  Atd. Dne\u0161n\u00ed sv\u011bt s pojmem \u201espr\u00e1vn\u011b\u201c pracuje docela jinak ne\u017e p\u0159ed pades\u00e1ti lety. Mimo jin\u00e9 i proto, \u017ee minul\u00e9 re\u017eimy hnusn\u011b pojem spr\u00e1vnosti zneu\u017e\u00edvaly: \u201eTooo je p\u0159\u00e9ce spr\u00e1\u00e1vn\u00e1\u00e1 v\u011bc \u2013 p\u00edjon\u00fdrsk\u00fd t\u00e1bor!\u201c A v \u010desk\u00e9m jazyce \u2013 i v tom spisovn\u00e9m se pojem spr\u00e1vnosti potla\u010duje od 60. let, nahrazuje se \u201evhodnost\u00ed\u201c, proto\u017ee do uva\u017eov\u00e1n\u00ed u\u017e um\u00edme br\u00e1t i okolnosti, podm\u00ednky, \u00fa\u010dely sd\u011blov\u00e1n\u00ed, jim\u017e prost\u0159edky odpov\u00eddaj\u00ed vhodn\u011bji \u010di m\u00e9n\u011b vhodn\u011b. \u201eSpr\u00e1vnost\u201c u\u017e je moc humpol\u00e1ck\u00e1 sekerka \u2013 sta\u010dila na \u0161t\u00edp\u00e1n\u00ed lou\u010d\u00ed, ale u\u017e ne na o\u010di\u0161t\u011bn\u00ed kovov\u00fdch kontakt\u016f v lamp\u011b.<\/p>\n<p>Auto\u0159i RVP v \u010de\u0161tin\u011b nemaj\u00ed moc takov\u00fdch zastaralost\u00ed \u2013 ale n\u011bkter\u00e9 tam z\u016fstaly, a jin\u00e9 nejsou tak patrn\u00e9. Nap\u0159\u00edklad cel\u00e9 pojet\u00ed gramatiky je\u0161t\u011b skoro nic nev\u00ed o tom, \u017ee gramatika taky slou\u017e\u00ed komunikaci. Auto\u0159i to mo\u017en\u00e1 v\u011bd\u011bli, ale j\u00edt proti p\u0159esile akademik\u016f a proti s\u00edle zvyku ve \u0161kol\u00e1ch? Marn\u00fd boj.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Ad b) Rozhovor po telefonu v RVP, to vid\u00edm jako d\u016fsledek  nekoncep\u010dn\u00edho, \u00fa\u0159edn\u00edho startu RVP. Pr\u00e1v\u011b cel\u00e1 strategie jeho tvorby, jeho smysl a posl\u00e1n\u00ed, jeho napln\u011bn\u00ed a zam\u011b\u0159en\u00ed m\u011blo u\u017e b\u00fdt vyjedn\u00e1v\u00e1no s u\u010diteli, s odborn\u00edky a materi\u00e1ly i ze zahrani\u010d\u00ed. N\u011bco m\u00e1lo tehdy vyu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1no bylo, nap\u0159\u00edklad zahrani\u010dn\u00ed kurikula byla zn\u00e1ma, t\u0159ebas norsk\u00e9 m\u011blo cca 4 str\u00e1nky. Ale u n\u00e1s by to nepro\u0161lo p\u0159es n\u00edzkou profesn\u00ed informovanost tehdej\u0161\u00edch lid\u00ed z ministerstva.<\/p>\n<p>Konkr\u00e9tniny nam\u00edsto dostate\u010dn\u011b obecn\u00fdch formulac\u00ed maj\u00ed v RVP a v cel\u00e9m \u0161kolstv\u00ed je\u0161t\u011b jedenu p\u0159\u00ed\u010dinu: jen men\u0161ina lid\u00ed dok\u00e1\u017ee opravdu zobec\u0148ovat a pak zase na z\u00e1klad\u011b obecn\u00e9ho vytv\u00e1\u0159et konkr\u00e9tn\u00ed realizace pro svou praxi. V\u011bt\u0161ina po\u0159\u00e1d je\u0161t\u011b vol\u00e1 po doslovn\u00e9m n\u00e1vodu, po p\u0159\u00edm\u00e9m veden\u00ed \u2013 proto\u017ee jen m\u00e1lo lid\u00ed um\u00ed \u017e\u00edt se svobodnou nejistotou. A p\u0159itom nikdy nev\u00edme, co se z d\u00edt\u011bte vyklube, v\u017edy m\u016f\u017eeme jen d\u011blat to nejlep\u0161\u00ed, co um\u00edme. V\u00fdsledky nejsou nikdy zaru\u010den\u00e9, u\u010ditel nem\u00e1 \u017e\u00e1dnou jistotu. Proto se mnoz\u00ed tak siln\u011b up\u00ednaj\u00ed k fale\u0161n\u00fdm jistot\u00e1m v p\u0159edpisech, v testech a trestech, v primitivn\u00edm po\u010d\u00edta\u010dov\u00e9m testov\u00e1n\u00ed, \u0159kouce \u201ePot\u0159ebujeme p\u0159ece v\u011bd\u011bt, jak na tom jsme.\u201c Jen\u017ee netu\u0161\u00ed, \u017ee to jim jinou ne\u017e fale\u0161nou jistotu taky ned\u00e1v\u00e1.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Jak m\u00e1 lep\u0161\u00ed OVO nebo indik\u00e1tor Standardu vypadat, aby nevnucoval do v\u00fduky jedin\u00fd konkr\u00e9tn\u00ed obsah, metodu, pojet\u00ed, ale umo\u017e\u0148oval dob\u0159e vyu\u010dovat i tradicionalist\u016fm, i konstruktivist\u016fm, i waldorfsk\u00fdm atd.?<\/p>\n<p>Zaprv\u00e9 se takov\u00e1 lep\u0161\u00ed podoba mus\u00ed pozorn\u011b a s \u00fa\u010dast\u00ed co nejv\u00edce u\u010ditel\u016f a \u0161kol vyv\u00edjet po dost dlouhou dobu. Mezit\u00edm m\u016f\u017ee platit n\u011bjak\u00e1 pilotn\u00ed verze, nebo rad\u0161i rovnou dvoj\u00ed verze, aby nikdo nemohl nikoho ve sv\u00e9 omezenosti oso\u010dit z \u201echyby\u201c ve v\u00fduce. Za \u010das u\u017e bude dost u\u010ditel\u016f natolik informovan\u011b posuzovat svou pr\u00e1ci i po\u017eadavky na ni, \u017ee ojedin\u011bl\u00e9 v\u00fdk\u0159iky \u201eodm\u00edta\u010d\u016f\u201c novot u\u017e budou sp\u00ed\u0161e jen sm\u011b\u0161n\u00e9. V\u00e1\u017en\u00e9 budou trval\u00e9 p\u0159ipom\u00ednky k dal\u0161\u00edmu zlep\u0161en\u00ed toho, co je vyv\u00edjeno jako kvalita.<\/p>\n<p>Dneska, bez dlouh\u00e9ho \u010dasu na v\u00fdvoj, m\u016f\u017eu navrhnout t\u0159eba takov\u00e9to zn\u011bn\u00ed OVO:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em>&#8222;\u017d\u00e1k vede s vrstevn\u00edkem nebo s dosp\u011bl\u00fdm zdvo\u0159il\u00fd a v\u011bcn\u011b soudr\u017en\u00fd rozhovor pomoc\u00ed technick\u00fdch m\u00e9di\u00ed.&#8220;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>\u0160kole pak z\u016fst\u00e1v\u00e1 otev\u0159ena mo\u017enost nau\u010dit d\u011bti v\u00e9st slu\u0161n\u00e9 a \u00fa\u010dinn\u00e9 rozhovory pomoc\u00ed jak\u00fdchkoliv prost\u0159edk\u016f, p\u0159i nich\u017e jsou si partne\u0159i vzd\u00e1leni. Takov\u00fd OVO zahrne i skypov\u00e1n\u00ed nebo  jeho budouc\u00ed n\u00e1stupce \u2013 tedy rozhovor s vyu\u017eit\u00edm videa. Prozat\u00edm nezahrne nijak\u00e9 mimosmyslov\u00e9 p\u0159enosy, v tom jsme omezeni stavem v\u011bdn\u00edho \u010di duchovn\u00edho pozn\u00e1n\u00ed. \u0160kola bude v\u017edy i tro\u0161ku brzdou p\u0159ekotn\u00e9ho rozvoje civilizace, i to d\u00e1v\u00e1 smysl.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Dneska v\u0161ak RVP vypad\u00e1 tak, jak je vid\u011bt naho\u0159e, a m\u016f\u017eeme se piln\u011b p\u0159ipravovat na pojet\u00ed, na koncepci, v jak\u00e9 ho budeme za dva roky m\u011bnit. Bude ne\u0161t\u011bst\u00ed, jestli se to bude zase jenom z\u00e1platovat. Kdy\u017e \u0159\u00edk\u00e1m koncepce, mysl\u00edm t\u00edm i to, \u017ee v n\u00ed bude zahrnuto, jak se zm\u011bny odvinou od pot\u0159eb d\u011bt\u00ed a u\u010ditel\u016f, jak se budou vn\u00e1\u0161et s ohledem na to, \u017ee je u\u010ditel\u00e9 musej\u00ed ch\u00e1pat, uznat a taky um\u011bt realizovat. A \u017ee jestli se maj\u00ed n\u011b\u010demu nov\u00e9mu u\u010dit, musej\u00ed na to dostat \u010das, podporu a musej\u00ed vid\u011bt jasn\u00fd smysl: u jejich \u017e\u00e1k\u016f to p\u0159inese lep\u0161\u00ed v\u00fdsledky.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Co dnes m\u016f\u017eeme:<\/p>\n<p><strong>Do Standardu rozhodn\u011b nep\u0159id\u00e1vat zastaral\u00e9 prvky, nezu\u017eovat prostor<\/strong>, kter\u00fd u\u010ditel m\u00e1, t\u00edm, \u017ee mu Standard bude vnucovat n\u011bkterou konkr\u00e9tn\u00ed metodu nebo u\u010divo. I takov\u00e9 snahy tu je\u0161t\u011b za kotrmelc\u016f p. Dob\u0161e zazn\u00edvaly: \u017ee se mus\u00ed ur\u010dit povinn\u00e9 u\u010divo! Podobn\u011b <strong>do Standardu  by se nem\u011bly dostat \u201en\u00e1vody\u201c<\/strong>, po jak\u00fdch tou\u017e\u00ed u\u010ditel\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed nec\u00edt\u00ed jistotu sami v sob\u011b nebo v prost\u0159ed\u00ed \u0161kolsk\u00e9m. Ani ilustrativn\u00ed \u00falohy nemaj\u00ed zav\u00e1n\u011bt n\u00e1vodem \u201eaha, takhle m\u00e1m vyu\u010dovat\u201c. Maj\u00ed jenom ukazovat, kdy se u \u017e\u00e1ka m\u016f\u017ee objevit po\u017eadovan\u00fd indik\u00e1tor. Proto by <strong>bylo lep\u0161\u00ed, kdyby ilustrac\u00ed byly sp\u00ed\u0161e \u010dinnosti \u017e\u00e1ka, v nich\u017e indik\u00e1tor Standardu m\u016f\u017eeme zahl\u00e9dnout, ne\u017e \u00falohy, v kter\u00fdch teprve v\u00fdsledek prohl\u00e1s\u00edme za indik\u00e1tor napln\u011bn\u00ed Standardu<\/strong>. Indik\u00e1tor dobr\u00e9ho pln\u011bn\u00ed o\u010dek\u00e1van\u00e9ho v\u00fdstupu m\u016f\u017ee p\u0159ece u\u010ditel i \u017e\u00e1k vid\u011bt u\u017e b\u011bhem u\u010den\u00ed, b\u011bhem pr\u00e1ce, nemus\u00ed \u010dekat na test, na zkou\u0161en\u00ed, na pololetn\u00ed vysv\u011bd\u010den\u00ed. To u\u017e b\u00fdv\u00e1 na n\u00e1pravu u\u010den\u00ed pozd\u011b.<\/p>\n<p>M\u016f\u017eeme formulovat indik\u00e1tory ve Standardu tak, aby napravily, co nen\u00ed jasn\u00e9 nebo domy\u0161len\u00e9 v o\u010dek\u00e1van\u00e9m v\u00fdstupu RVP.<\/p>\n<p>Kdy\u017e uva\u017eujeme o tom, co do Standardu d\u00e1t,<strong> mus\u00edme se \u0159\u00eddit p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm c\u00edli oblast\u00ed a obor\u016f a kl\u00ed\u010dov\u00fdmi kompetencemi<\/strong>. V t\u011bch jsou takov\u00e9 po\u017eadavky, jim\u017e i o\u010dek\u00e1van\u00e9 v\u00fdstupy, i indik\u00e1tory Standardu musej\u00ed slou\u017eit. Ne naopak, \u017ee by se c\u00edli m\u011bly \u201epokr\u00fdvat\u201c kv\u016fli \u00fa\u0159adu na\u0161e navykl\u00e9 postupy. Dobr\u00e9 postupy \u2013 ty, kter\u00e9 pom\u00e1haj\u00ed d\u011btem v \u010de\u0161tin\u011b se dorozum\u00edvat a \u010d\u00edst si literaturu \u2013 ty se pod c\u00edle RVP vejdou i bez \u00fasil\u00ed pokr\u00fdva\u010dsk\u00e9ho, v\u00fdkazov\u00e9ho. A postupy, kter\u00e9 u d\u011bt\u00ed nefunguj\u00ed, se prost\u011b budou m\u011bnit za lep\u0161\u00ed. Ale i to bude trvat, a i v tom pot\u0159ebuje u\u010ditel \u010dasto podporu \u2013 a nen\u00ed to \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e1 hanba. V\u017edy\u0165 studoval na fakult\u00e1ch jinak! V\u017edy\u0165 je v\u011bkov\u00fd pr\u016fm\u011br asi 46 let&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>P\u0159i tvorb\u011b Standardu naraz\u00edme nutn\u011b na vady v o\u010dek\u00e1van\u00fdch v\u00fdstupech. Jedn\u00edm z typ\u016f vad je zastaralost OVO v RVP.&nbsp; Nap\u0159\u00edklad \u010cJL-5-1-05 vede spr\u00e1vn\u011b dialog, telefonick\u00fd rozhovor, zanech\u00e1 vzkaz na z\u00e1znamn\u00edku a) Jak se to mohlo st\u00e1t, \u017ee se do z\u00e1vazn\u00e9ho dokumentu dostala p\u0159edstava, \u017ee dialog se vede \u201espr\u00e1vn\u011b\u201c nebo nespr\u00e1vn\u011b? b) A pro\u010d se v [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":73,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-259","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-nezarazene"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogy.rvp.cz\/ireneus\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/259","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogy.rvp.cz\/ireneus\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogy.rvp.cz\/ireneus\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogy.rvp.cz\/ireneus\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/73"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogy.rvp.cz\/ireneus\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=259"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/blogy.rvp.cz\/ireneus\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/259\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":263,"href":"https:\/\/blogy.rvp.cz\/ireneus\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/259\/revisions\/263"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogy.rvp.cz\/ireneus\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=259"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogy.rvp.cz\/ireneus\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=259"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogy.rvp.cz\/ireneus\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=259"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}